this pisses me the f*** off

**ATEXANnHISGUN** · 05-10-10, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Addrake

Originally Posted by ATEXANnHISGUN

I don't care how you slice it one more drug peddling scum bag off my streets is a win in my book.

That is the most ignorant clueless statement I have read in a long while. So your argument is this guy, POSSIBLY selling a plant warranted his home invaded, dogs shot, and child scared half to death? The endangerment to his child was from him having a pipe in his house, not the armed men invading in the middle of the night? I assume you have some tie to law enforcement as only a brainwashed fool would argue this is justified in any way.

yes actually on that my being my argument , and yes on ties to law enforcement. I said as much in that or another of my posts in this very thread. as far as a brain washed fool just go find a mirror.

The guy was enough of a scumbag that a judge said "yup send swat."

In this one case it looks to have been a bad call by the judge but to attack the officers who are lawfully and dutifully executing their orders against a criminal is a sign of a weak mind.

I defend the police where it is warranted. you don't see me in the Mexican head kicking thread defending those officers. from what i can tell those cops are over the line.

Don't brake the law the police wont show up. All drugs even the fabled harmless hippy lettuce funds drug dealers , cartels and murderers. some of you see it as hey I'm not hurting any one but in reality you are 100% apart of the problem and share responsibility in all the suffering drugs cause.

you can attack me day and night on this but the truth is the truth.

again it's a shame the dog's got shot it's sickening. It doesn't make the cops trigger happy joy killers.

**Toker** · 05-10-10, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by ATEXANnHISGUN

It doesn't make the cops trigger happy joy killers.

Maybe just a little bit for these particular cops... They couldn't make a better judgement call?

**ALPINESTAR** · 05-10-10, 03:16 PM

Wow.. that family looked real dangerous. I hope their swat van gets hit by a train

**ATEXANnHISGUN** · 05-10-10, 03:20 PM

I wouldn't have shot the dogs no. especially the caged one the idea of that turns my stomach.

But I wasn't in that situation. we don't know or see the whole story was he in his cage but the door open and the dog got shot (in it) as he tried to exit or was it firmly secured we don't know.

What I would like to see happen is a real investigation into the facts of how it all really went down.

I will concede this point, if that cage was locked and that officer shot a caged and securely contained animal he should be brought up on animal cruelty charges. operating procedures or not that needs to be addressed.

the smaller dog i don't know i have a had time defending them, but a hard time as well criticizing them for it.

cops deal with the worst shit ever on a daily basis, their lives are constantly on the line and they see the worst humanity has to offer. yes they chose this profession and most out of a sense of duty to their communities. but being overworked underpaid and under-appreciated and living on the edge of life and death constantly .I can easily see an officer turning off moral judgment when it comes to a situation like this and just going by the book and shooting the animals.

Do cops make mistakes? yes. are there dick cops in it for the power trip? yes. but most cops don't hang out with other cops because of this attitude, they do it because they know that the officer sitting across from him at the table at least has been evaluated by a psych doctor who confirmed he's not crazy and because only others in law enforcement type work get truly what they go through.

and its idiots like alpine that want humans to die because a dog did, that truly shows why cops are on edge. we have sociopaths like him running around.

**deathgodusmc** · 05-10-10, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Originally Posted by deathgodusmc

Originally Posted by hawgballs

Has anybody noticed what this guy is "guilty" of? He was a pot dealer for the love of Science. They got him to plead guilty to possession of pot paraphernalia.... This guy doesn't sound like the type to go down in the blaze of glory over pot. Coke, X, Heroin then you might have good reasoning that someone is going to violently protect his shit,...... but some guy peddling Hippy Lettuce? C'mon, No reason to bust in in the early AM, nor to shoot the man's dogs.

It's not like people who deal pot would ever deal anything else. They did their job. Not exstatic about killing the dogs but the big picture makes it that way. None of us nor the swat team knows the potential for an animal to attack. Those cages will not hold an animal in that wants out bad enough. My sister has gone through 4 or 5 of them with her dog. They do it so none of them get hurt in the process.

Could have been avoided by getting a real job like the rest of us. Pretty simple.

I'm thinking that if he was dealing anything else, they would have known, and they would have been able to find and charge him as such. But all they got him on was hippy lettuce paraphernalia.

You have a copy of that warrant? Have the file on this guy? Or the more likely talking out of your ass again? Making assumptions on things you simply do not know.

**jason_jinx** · 05-10-10, 06:46 PM

“The idea of SWAT was created for hostage situations and when military-style power is required and there is no other choice,” he said. “When going into a situation that the purpose is to preserve evidence, it’s not a good enough reason to put these thousands of people that are served search warrants each year through the aggressive and traumatic experience of a para-militarized police squadron entering your home.”

They have failed to learn the difference between fighting a war and having a functioning police force. Once you decide to fight a war instead of policing, you have decided that the residents are acceptable collateral casualties of war.

**deathgodusmc** · 05-10-10, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

Originally Posted by CivilWars

They didn't kill the midget dog, so nice try.

They still could have used mace.

This might be a isolated incident where they fucked up and need to be benched for awhile.

Maybe its wishful thinking to hope that they do use mace 80% of the time when conducting raids.

More surveillance, more detective work, and mace for the dogs.

I am sure those kids will grow up with fond memories of police.....

and it may have been a decision that saved a life. None of us know because it's all after the fact talking.

**jason_jinx** · 05-10-10, 06:50 PM

The proof of this failure is evident in the statement by Deputy Police Chief Tom Dresner:

“If we were searching for stolen televisions in his house, there is no reason for SWAT,” he said. “He can’t flush televisions.”

He doesn’t even get the wrongness underlying his statement.

The entire philosophy behind SWAT-style drug raids is that the death of a mother, a child, or the family pet is an acceptable risk to prevent flushing. (Deep Thoughts)

What makes it worse is that you can’t actually flush large amounts of marijuana.

Local cops and SWAT officers are to blame. It can be convenient to say they’re just following orders, but the truth is that they do have some choice in not only choosing their job, but in how they actually perform that job. Even in the midst of a SWAT raid (even when it shouldn’t have happened to begin with), it’s possible to be safe and firm while still treating the suspects like human beings who are going through a traumatic experience and minimize both the trauma and the collateral damage.

**deathgodusmc** · 05-10-10, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by jason_jinx

“The idea of SWAT was created for hostage situations and when military-style power is required and there is no other choice,” he said. “When going into a situation that the purpose is to preserve evidence, it’s not a good enough reason to put these thousands of people that are served search warrants each year through the aggressive and traumatic experience of a para-militarized police squadron entering your home.”

They have failed to learn the difference between fighting a war and having a functioning police force. Once you decide to fight a war instead of policing, you have decided that the residents are acceptable collateral casualties of war.

A SWAT (special weapons and tactics)[1][2] team is an elite paramilitary tactical unit in American and some international law enforcement departments. They are trained to perform high-risk operations that fall outside of the abilities of regular officers. Their duties include performing hostage rescues and counter-terrorism operations, serving high risk arrest and search warrants, subduing barricaded suspects, and engaging heavily-armed criminals.

**deathgodusmc** · 05-10-10, 07:23 PM

Columbia police announce further changes to SWAT policy

Columbia Police Chief Ken Burton answers a reporter's question during a press conference Monday afternoon at the Columbia Police Department. Burton was discussing the recent incident in which a SWAT entered a Columbia residence while serving a search warrant. SWAT officers shot and killed a pit bull inside the residence. The wife and child of the warrant's defendant were both inside the residence at the time the SWAT team entered. ¦
Joshua Bickel
by Matt Pearce ¦
The decision to execute a drug warrant will now be made by higher-ranking officers, Columbia Police Chief Ken Burton said at a news conference Monday afternoon.

"We did some things wrong," Burton said. "And I'm telling you, it won't happen again."

The use of the department's SWAT team in conducting a drug raid will now:

?Require the approval of a captain in the department in charge of the area where the raid is to take place

? Require that a location be under constant surveillance once the warrant has been issued
?Not take place when children are present except "under the most extreme circumstances," Burton said.

Burton called the new policy "probably one of the most restrictive in the country."

The department has faced criticism — and even received death threats — since a video of a Feb. 11 drug raid on a Columbia man's home was posted on the Internet. The video captured the sound of Jonathan Whitworth's pit bull, Nola, being fatally shot by SWAT team officers. The Whitworths' Welsh corgi was also shot during the raid, which took place with Whitworth's wife and 7-year-old son in the home.

The raid came eight days after police obtained the warrant on tips from two confidential informants. Police suspected Whitworth of dealing a large amount of marijuana but only found a pipe and what police described as a misdemeanor amount of marijuana.

Whitworth later pleaded guilty to misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia and was fined $300. He has not filed a lawsuit or a complaint with the department, though his lawyer said Monday that Whitworth was still considering all his options.

Monday's news conference was the department's second in less than a week. On Thursday Burton answered reporters' questions with Mayor Bob McDavid at his side to dispel false rumors about the incident and also to announce that raids would now be served within eight hours after police obtain a warrant.

Still, the department's policies on the treatment of dogs and suspects remain unchanged, and Burton defended the actions of the officers involved. The department's internal review of the incident would be completed later this week, Burton said.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/st...s-swat-policy/

At least some changes have been made.