Thread: Fixing "exploits"

It's a tough juggle, because on expert it really is necessary. On the other side of the fence is people cornering up on at the elevator in No Mercy. You can't jump them with a hunter, a smoker is knocked off immediately, and a boomer just adds more zombies to be bashed.

It's too powerful if the versus mode is locked to normal, but necessary on expert. So what do we do Hehe. Catch 22.

Incidentally, I use the closet bash tactic all the time. In fact, the ramp at the end of the heli pad in No Mercy is a perfect spot for defending. Too perfect if the other team does it as well

Originally Posted by -RaYne-

- 90% of walls should be breakable, not iron walls (prevents use of closets)
- A hunter's pounce should not be bash-able
- People who get pulled by a smoker should not be able to free themselves, that alone makes the smoker almost useless. Why should they be able to free themselves from a smoker but not a hunter?
- Bash should have a 2-3 second timer on it to prevent spam

- As liq3 had said, this would raise the system requirements for L4D greatly. However, it is not all that bad of an idea on a much lesser scale. Just, 90% of all walls destroyable is far to extream and rather pointless. A supliment for this would be say 10-20% more walls destroyable, however maybe only by a Hunter, Tank or Boomer explosion. From what I've seen from their melee attacks, Boomer's nor Smoker's really have the physical capacity to run around destroying wall after wall.

- From a roof top pounce, absolutely not. From a ground level wall bounce, again, absolutely not. A straight ground pounce, sure, but it should still be more difficult then it already is. As it is just a game, all ideas about physics must be thought of hypothecically. As such, try to think in a realistic way of how the hunter works. As they are able to make such drasically large leaps, this means that they have highly developed leg muscles. Further, they are extreamly agile and have supreb senses, which allow them to make their crazy wall jumps. Taking these in to mind, would a normal, run of the mill human really have the strength to just brush these pounces off with a single melee?

I wouldn't think so. Well, that's not entirely true. Francis looks as if he might be able to go a little more toe to toe with these guys, however as the game mechanics would allow this singlism for a survivour, it doesn't happen and has been balanced by allowing all survivours to do this. It is rather a little unfair against the Hunter, because once those melees start getting you, unless the Survivour is a total dolt, you as the Hunter are totally freaking boned, as the Infected have absolutely no defense against this, becoming disoriented and blind at the same time.

Back to the original point of this however, due to the sheer velocity of the Hunter's pounce due to their Infected-Phenotype's traits, no Survivour should be able to shrug off their high speed pounces.

- I actually agree with this point 100%. Again, you have to look at this from a hypothetical realism view.

Situation A) The Smoker has "shot" his tounge at his target (which is typically random when they are in a group), which wraps about their torso.
How the hell are they using their arms to either bash or fire their weapon?

Situation B) The Smoker has once again "shot" his tounge at his (hopefully) intended target. This time, instead of the torso, the tounge has latched around the neck of the Survivour.
As an immediate human instinct or atleast my own, I would not be looking for what just happen, as I would most definately be in a panic. Relinquishing everything in hand, the Survivour should be more concerned with trying to remove the tounge quickly, leaving his/her hands totally occupied, forcing another non-engaged Survivour to come to your rescue.

An idea that just struck me as I was writting this responce was, introduce a hunting knife in to the game. In either Situation A or B, if the survivour was to have their knife as their *active weapon*, then I wouldn't see an issue with them being able to free themselves.

And finally, yes, the most controversal aspect of this game to date, Bashing.

- A 2 - 3 second cooldown is not that bad of an idea. Hell even a 1 second. I'm not going to get in to the whole Balanced/Over Powered debate on the subject of Melee/Q-Melee (as I've mainly never heard of the Q-Melee term), however No Mercy, level 4 does offer some insight in to this.

Keep in mind, this is again, not me taking any side in this debate, rather just offering information from my own experiences. Please do not try to drag me in to this if you feel to reply to this. Merely reply as if this information had already been blaten public knowledge, as it most definately should be.

Right. So No Mercy, Lv. 4. More specifically, the elevator section. This scene is often played out the same, over and over and over.

Three Survivours get in to the closet located in the room right near the elevator, while the other summons the elevator and then heads to the closet as well. The two in the front will kneel down and comense spamming their bash against the hordes, upon hordes of Infected that begin coming. The two in the back will remain standing, doing much the same, though sometimes using Auto-Shotty's to clear larger groups more quickly.

Now, if you are't familiar with this closet, let me describe the scene for you. Obviously, it's a closet, able to fit all four Survivours in, they then become protected indefinately from three sides of attack, five if you count the floor and the roof. So there is only one way to get them. Next, the room this closet is in has two enterences. You'd think this is good for the Infected, but sadly, it is not.

In the past, when I have come against people using this closet, it is atrociously near impossible for any of the special Infected to be of any use here. Hunter's, forget it. They're totally fucking useless here, pardon my language. The Smoker as well, is pretty useless, as he is left in the wide open if he wishes to get any angle on the Survivour's, who kill the Smoker before he is even able to get a firm grip on any of them. The only one who really does anything here is the Boomer. But don't give him too much credit just yet, as all he can really do is Boomer Bile one or two (all if they kill him right in front of the closet), which will attract more horde. Utterly pointless in the end, as the Melee wall holds so easily.

This makes all of the Special Infected more useless then a horde... That's just not right. >_>

So in closing. Yes. A cooldown on Melee I can see becoming inplimented at some point in the future if this tactic (and many, many, many other similar ones) is continued to be used. And I don't think this implimentation will be caused by any ranters who are pro or con about it. No, I think Valve will see the folly in this simple, yet devastating manuver themselves and snap back to reality.

Or atleast i pray to the Sun that they aren't as retarded as the guys over at Blizzard.

Edit: Holy crap, that was way bigger then I thought it would be. :/