Thread: Even teams up during a match?

Originally Posted by Mr_Blonde_OPS

Though the lobbies aren't "Invite Only". I would hate to start seeing people join lobbies that aren't full and the lobby leader says, "Sorry we don't want you." I understand exactly what your saying Train and sometimes I wish the lobbies could be hand-picked too, but that would leave out to many people that wanted to play. Part of this game is dealing with your teams strengths and weaknesses. If you get a weak player, then coach them up. I have not seen a, recently new lfd2 player, join a lobby in a long time. Everyone seems to be Average skill and above. This means that they should have a good grasp of the game and should be able to listen to whatever the team leader says. Everything after that is team communication and how well they play together.

It is invite only, lobbies should not be connected to the potential server we may play on, and sometimes people want a good game with established players or players who they know WILL listen.


Kanati:
I had Relic all wrong a few days back. He has few L4D hours and I was gonna have him replaced in lobby because it was full of good players and I was worried he would be noobish and screw up the balance. Consensus was to have him play so I hand picked the teams. Turns out I was dead wrong about him and a big part of that was that he actually listened to the advice being given. We ended up winning by a decent margin(I believe) and he was in no way slowing us down and played great.

I'd say you are right to an extent though because listening is a skill in its own. Sometimes you need listening skill to know what a guy means when he says "Spit behind the survivors before they run back to open area after setting off the tank." Some people will think "WTF did he just say?" While others will get it even with little experience. Comprehension is key.

So when I'm lobby leader I can choose who can be in the lobby and who can't? Once I'm done sending my invites and there are two spots left and random people start joining the lobby I can tell them sorry we are waiting for someone else and basically lie? I can understand if you have all 7 players ready to join, but if you have spots that need to be filled and random people join I would never tell them they can't play because they weren't skilled enough to be in this lobby. That's just fifth grade bullshit. I really don't think it is about skill for some people, it's the fact that they already have it set in their minds that certain player suck and won't do well. Like Kanati said if you have the right leader and team, a "newbish" player can pull his/her weight just as well as anyone else on the team.

I've always been fine with playing with new players and I love coaching and teaching. That said, there are times when you just want to play a veteran game.

Once you've racked up hundreds and hundreds of hours in L4D2 you start to get this sense of the game that goes way beyond just playing... it's a sort of meta-game in which every action is weighed against every possibility and being off your timing by 1 second is waayy too slow. Being on an all veteran team is a completely different experience to a normal L4D2 game. I mean it's really almost like playing an entirely different game. The goals become different, the techniques change, the pacing is more staccato but slower overall. Everything is both more deliberate and more liquid at the same time. It really is an amazing experience.

So I think it's fair for the veterans to want to do all-star games some times, but it's also good for them to play with newer players and help them learn the game. What newer players have to be sensitive to is that if they join a lobby with 7 pros in it, they are essentially giving a death sentence to whichever team they end up on. In that case it might be smart to use your judgment and let a veteran take the last slot. I'm not talking about a newer player joining a game with mostly good/veteran players in it. I mean a lobby like:

BlitzKrieg
Smoken
Saw
Oni
Ira
Special
JackOfAllTrades

And then a player with less than 20 hours of VS play joins... it's absolutely guaranteed that whatever team they end up on will lose. So in a way it makes the entire match pointless, which can be very annoying/disheartening for the other players.

As far as normal lobbies go though, I will never EVER tell someone to leave because of their skill level. If it's a normal lobby everyone is welcome.

That post made it completely understandable. Thank you Thorsen. It's exactly like you said Thorsen, Vet games are a whole entire different experience and the competition is completely different. Not going to lie I get jealous sometimes because I like playing at the highest level of competition possible. But now I understand that I am still a "Padawan Learner" and I can not go into the battle with the "Master Jedi's" until I have enough experience. I will continue training hard.

Originally Posted by Thorsen

I've always been fine with playing with new players and I love coaching and teaching. That said, there are times when you just want to play a veteran game.

Once you've racked up hundreds and hundreds of hours in L4D2 you start to get this sense of the game that goes way beyond just playing... it's a sort of meta-game in which every action is weighed against every possibility and being off your timing by 1 second is waayy too slow. Being on an all veteran team is a completely different experience to a normal L4D2 game. I mean it's really almost like playing an entirely different game. The goals become different, the techniques change, the pacing is more staccato but slower overall. Everything is both more deliberate and more liquid at the same time. It really is an amazing experience.

So I think it's fair for the veterans to want to do all-star games some times, but it's also good for them to play with newer players and help them learn the game. What newer players have to be sensitive to is that if they join a lobby with 7 pros in it, they are essentially giving a death sentence to whichever team they end up on. In that case it might be smart to use your judgment and let a veteran take the last slot. I'm not talking about a newer player joining a game with mostly good/veteran players in it. I mean a lobby like:

BlitzKrieg
Smoken
Saw
Oni
Ira
Special
JackOfAllTrades

And then a player with less than 20 hours of VS play joins... it's absolutely guaranteed that whatever team they end up on will lose. So in a way it makes the entire match pointless, which can be very annoying/disheartening for the other players.

As far as normal lobbies go though, I will never EVER tell someone to leave because of their skill level. If it's a normal lobby everyone is welcome.

I made the list! =)

Seriously though, that says it all.

Originally Posted by Thorsen

I've always been fine with playing with new players and I love coaching and teaching. That said, there are times when you just want to play a veteran game.

Once you've racked up hundreds and hundreds of hours in L4D2 you start to get this sense of the game that goes way beyond just playing... it's a sort of meta-game in which every action is weighed against every possibility and being off your timing by 1 second is waayy too slow. Being on an all veteran team is a completely different experience to a normal L4D2 game. I mean it's really almost like playing an entirely different game. The goals become different, the techniques change, the pacing is more staccato but slower overall. Everything is both more deliberate and more liquid at the same time. It really is an amazing experience.

So I think it's fair for the veterans to want to do all-star games some times, but it's also good for them to play with newer players and help them learn the game. What newer players have to be sensitive to is that if they join a lobby with 7 pros in it, they are essentially giving a death sentence to whichever team they end up on. In that case it might be smart to use your judgment and let a veteran take the last slot. I'm not talking about a newer player joining a game with mostly good/veteran players in it. I mean a lobby like:

BlitzKrieg
Smoken
Saw
Oni
Ira
Special
JackOfAllTrades

And then a player with less than 20 hours of VS play joins... it's absolutely guaranteed that whatever team they end up on will lose. So in a way it makes the entire match pointless, which can be very annoying/disheartening for the other players.

As far as normal lobbies go though, I will never EVER tell someone to leave because of their skill level. If it's a normal lobby everyone is welcome.

Well there was this one time back in confogl days where some stuff happened and we had to get a replacement.. the only person on was one of our members 14 year old cousin. We ended up winning by 12 points.

















That entire story was made up jsut to piss Thorsen off and show that noobs can be truly carried if on an awesome team. Like mine. Cause I'm awesome. And it's 3 A.M where this all seems hilarious. But when I wake up and read responses I will think that I was silly to even post this at all and I will likely derail the thread. Unless people read that part and giggle at my post and continue on. That might work.

I voted play on. I go whole weeks where I am doing nothing but teaching newer players the ropes. Inevitably our team will lose vs a team with two or more, more experienced players. However it is only through those challenges and failures do we get better. I have actually been on a team with mostly D-league players and beaten the A-League team. A Lot of it is how well the team members communicate and mesh.

I have actually found it to be more of a hindrance to have all Vets on my team because there are to many cooks in the kitchen. every one is calling plays no one is listening or worse one guy follows Vet-A's call and another follows vet-b's call or worse stand their going WTF am i supposed to be doing.

and I will be the first to admit every once in a while it feels good to look at the team make up and just know your going to knock the socks off the other team.
but I play the cards where they lay I will never ask a team to switch unless I am on the dominating side and even then it is rare.