Thread: Is Heavy too good now?

Why should the slow on Natascha be changed/reduced? Why should the heavy spinup/down movement speed be changed?

You guys have not really given any reasons other than it annoys you, and you have a hard time killing them. In terms of game balance how do the current stats "break" the game, and how should they be changed to "fix" it?

And to those who think the speed reduction should be reduced at range IT ALREADY IS! A target is not immediately slowed to the minimum, but instead each hit stacks until the minimum is reached. At range the never happens because the hits are so sporadic. I do not now how many hits it takes, but it feels like 3-5 in quick succession with each slow lasting about one second. If you play with the Natascha much will notice the difference as you get better at tracking a target.

Originally Posted by Mr.Expendable

Only a dumb pyro runs at a medic head on that has his needles out.

Dumb, pro, female...I needle them all and laugh maniacally.

Originally Posted by Mr.Expendable

Heavy wasnt made to dodge all damage he was made to be able to take hits and act as a meatshield that helps take in spam and dish out damage in a wide area to support the team and protect the medic/engy/point. Now hes able to be aggro and be on the very front pushing the point rather then playing the defensive role that he was made to play.

This might have been in the original design doc, but good Heavies—coupled with support from Medics/Engies—have always been aggro from what I have seen. Just team up with the likes of Burn or Anomaly (among others) as a Heavy and you as a Medic and you'll see what I mean. Vicious, well-timed stuff.

Since this game is constantly evolving, roles have shifted based on how people actually play the classes. For example, Demo and Pyro have basically swapped roles compared to Day One release, IMO. I think Valve has done a good job—via all the unlocks, buffs, and nerfs—to mix up the gameplay and accommodate for this trend. For free, no less.

I am also of the opinion that there aren't necessarily counter classes. All classes, based on the skill level of the player, can counter other classes (admittedly, some better than others). So, what kills a Heavy these days if Spy or Sniper aren't cutting it? I'd say spam, run-by strafes, and two-man+ defenses. Oh, and airblasts off the sides of the new maps.

Originally Posted by Gonzo0100

Food for thought.
As MF! signs up for CEVO we learn that not only is the Sandman banned, the wrangler and Natasha are banned as well.

<boggle!>

Odd how they cherry-pick the parts of the game they want and drop others.

Oh, well—their league, their rules.

Originally Posted by Gonzo0100

Food for thought.
As MF! signs up for CEVO we learn that not only is the Sandman banned, the wrangler and Natasha are banned as well.

woooooooow
just curious... did they have an explanation or reasoning as to why these weapons are banned? specifically the wrangler and natasha?

I never understood why some classes get limits, some maps or weapons get banned, etc in competitive TF2. Why not just let the teams play it out and see how it unfolds? It is not like both teams don't have access to the same stuff.

Originally Posted by *Rob

specifically the wrangler and natasha?

Because it cripples the scout the most, and since running 2 scouts is the status quo most of the time, they probably figured it would significantly alter strats and scouts become a little less a necessity. The competitive scene never does like change, for any game.

Originally Posted by Pimp Trizkit

The competitive scene never does like change, for any game.

Apparently. I just looked at the rules and only one demo is allowed even though demo was fixed long ago. I did not see any mention of the natascha or wrangler just the sandman even though it is pretty well balanced now too.