Am I the only one who thinks the Enforcer is overpowered?

**EBF** · 08-06-11, 01:43 AM

So, I had thought that the downside of the Enforcer sounded really bad, but I had no idea that it didn't apply to the DR. Given that, enforcer + dead ringer is obviously a straight upgrade from revolver + dead ringer, but I dunno if it's OP or not.

Also, Piko, sure, you can counter a spy by being aware of them, but that doesn't make the spy useless just as much as other class counters don't make that class useless.
Some basic examples:
1) You cannot be 100% aware of your surroundings at all times; e.g. you are shooting at someone in front of you while the spy flanks you. All classes can flank, but the spy is the only one that can one shot any class with this advantage.
2) On the other hand, time spent chasing down spies or constantly turning around is time not spent capping the point or paying attention to other enemies.

I would say that pyro is more situational than unpowered.

**Watsyurdeal?** · 08-06-11, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Piko Knight

However, each of those classes has a means of overcoming the counter. A heavy getting ganked can call for his team to help, or simply wait for the uber instead of recklessly charging in. Scouts can avoid the sentry altogether, and the clever ones can even figure out how to break it. Bonk, backed up by a push, is also an excellent option. Pyros have their secondary weapon to utilize, and I've learned the hard way that you can't underestimate a shotgun pyro.

As a spy, you have no real means of overcoming the counter to your class. If people are aware of you, you're going to be hard-pressed to get around that.

Distractions, how do you think I manage to stab the likes of Langrad and Trizkit?

I simply strike when they're too busy to check their backs, survival isn't guaranteed but at least I manage to make the fight easier for my team if I can snag a Medic or a small group.

**Derek** · 08-06-11, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by Piko Knight

Wats here has the dubious honor of being the only spy to have ever successfully stairstabbed me.

Someone on TPG recently stairstabbed me for the first time. I only fell for it because he was disguised as an enemy (to me) pyro, so I didn't think anything when he jumped over me on the staircase :P

**Cheshire Cat** · 08-07-11, 10:58 AM

Meh. Spy was fun, and I dominated Piko plenty when I still played a lot.

**Oozish** · 08-07-11, 01:03 PM

A new spy in town: Pink Matter E2 has been on tpg lately and stairstabbed me as I ran upstairs not knowing he was that good.

Cheshire? Are you still even playing?

**Vexon** · 08-07-11, 06:08 PM

Yeah I have noticed. He is also a pretty good soldier as well.
I'm still the best spy though..... just throwin that out there

**Piko Knight** · 08-07-11, 06:38 PM

Also, Piko, sure, you can counter a spy by being aware of them, but that doesn't make the spy useless just as much as other class counters don't make that class useless.
Some basic examples:
1) You cannot be 100% aware of your surroundings at all times; e.g. you are shooting at someone in front of you while the spy flanks you. All classes can flank, but the spy is the only one that can one shot any class with this advantage.
2) On the other hand, time spent chasing down spies or constantly turning around is time not spent capping the point or paying attention to other enemies.

1) That does happen, and is arguably the best option for spies, but it's still a mistake on the victim's part imo. I've had spies do that to me a couple of times and then I get fed up, check my back after an arbitrary shot count, and then I get a free spy. Not sure if it's 100% reliable
2) Time spent chasing down spies is only wasted if the spy has clearly escaped the heat for the moment. Not sure why turning around would hinder your ability to cap, you can still move for the objective and turn around, y'know?

Distractions, how do you think I manage to stab the likes of Langrad and Trizkit?

I simply strike when they're too busy to check their backs, survival isn't guaranteed but at least I manage to make the fight easier for my team if I can snag a Medic or a small group.

Or me!

I believe I have this covered in the previous quote.

Originally Posted by Cheshire Cat

Meh. Spy was fun, and I dominated Piko plenty when I still played a lot.

Pfft. You make it sound like I didn't also dominate you. :P In fact! I challenge you to get yer ass back on the server and try to stab me! I'll bet you can't!

**Oozish** · 08-08-11, 12:14 PM

I just feel sorry for any spy that plays spy if I decide to counter their ass as pyro. Most times I just see them switch classes or I'll dominate them.

**Interests** · 08-08-11, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Oozish

I just feel sorry for any spy that plays spy if I decide to counter their ass as pyro. Most times I just see them switch classes or I'll dominate them.

Is that so?