Thread: Reverend Unban Request

Reverend Unban Request

[atxplx] Reverend Blesus
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#1. Why do you think you got banned?
Listening to the call ("We are not shopping.") and moving forward on the 3rd Level of a L4D2 map. Rather than loitering around for another hit. We had discussed this in the Safe Room and even a couple of witnesses to the "banning" commented that, what was a seeming misunderstanding, was taken out of proportion, considering the duplicitous enforcement of the same strictures on others, than BigTymer will hold himself accountable for.

#2. What server were you on? What admin do you believe banned you? What admins were there playing?
One of the two L4D2 servers. BigTymer. No idea.

#3. Why should you be unbanned?
I was paying attention and attempting to institute the best ability in following the call. Wherein which, an apparent misunderstanding was observed by an admin, who not being the lobby leader or the one who invited me, decided to unilaterally kick and ban my person. This action, Left more than a couple of people wondering what had happened and why that course of action was taken and/or even justified. This is after the admin had shown himself immune to the same type of judgement based on his own actions, in the rounds previous on that same map. For instance, Level 1 of the map: BigTymer decides to throw a molotov on a witch after a clear, "Natural Horde" call had been made by myself, seconded by Lazyness and summarily ignored (from any 3rd party perspective) by BigTymer. Resulting in a wipe, this was even to Lazyness' vocalized chagrin. Example 2: Level 2 of the map, BigTymer doesn't institute any discretion to his bat swinging and takes my character down, after Lazyness had been charged; resulting in a wipe. The 1st example, of these two, is a clear indication of why the unbanning should be allowed and the banning action looked into as exemplifying too much emotional charge to warrant justification. (Let the punishment fit the crime) I am well aware of my previous history, as regards some of the admin in this game and community, and do not wish to offer a plea of injustice without such a recognition. But, I had not played with BigTymer et al. in at least 2-3 weeks previous and had been playing with others (2 of which I know were in that game I was banned in) and can attest to the fact that tooling off, for the sake of tooling off, is not in my agenda. I am by no means a perfect player, but this ban seems much more personal and not related to any gross negligence on my part.

#4. A written statement that you will refrain from doing anything that will get you banned again.
I will seek full clarification, were I to have been confused by a call, before leaving the group's 5 meter radius. Were I unbanned, just for the sake of getting to play cross format games (CSGO), I am now banned on; I would find that sufficient and not make the mistake of treading where my skills are insufficient to contend.

I am posting as a witness as I was one of the players on the opposite team. I of course was not able to hear the other team communication, but will explain what we saw from our teams perspective.

We were on map 3 of No Mercy and the Survivors had just exited the saferoom and were getting Tier2 weapons and throwables inside the garage. Rev went all the way up the alley to the white truck where you turn left to go into kitchen. His 3 other teammates were still in garage while he was at the corner. I proceeded to smoke him at the corner, pulling him behind cover to which his teammates would have to rush forward to clear him. Just as they were about to reach the corner they got boomed, doubled charged, and the 3rd survivor was jockeyed. This resulted in Rev's character dying by the smoker and boomer horde.

You were banned for not following the calls on SI hits and not being a team player on SV. You were hitting alone on SI the previous map. I said the team needs to hit as one because this one at a time crap isn't going to cut it. You did hit with the team a few times after wards but fell back to the way you was playing before I asked you to hit as a team. Before we even left the safe room, I asked if ya'll wanted to skip the stuff inside the hall. The plan was to bait the hit and we did. The charger missed his charge and the front 3 not including you went to the garage as planned. While we were getting our guns, pills, and shots in the garage you take it upon yourself to move forward in the map to where we are unable to clear any SI hits that attack you. You said over your Mic that you are smoked and I said how are you smoked when the rest of your team is right here. We fight to get to you but get boomed, charged and jockeyed which ends our round.

This isn't a matter if you are a good player or bad player. This is matter of you not being able to follow instructions which in return ruins the game for other people. You once again try to deflect YOUR problem and point fingers at other people, as you have in CS:S and L4D2 instead of owning up to the mistakes YOU made and the disregard to the other players playing with you. It's disruptive and WILL NOT continue. You have been talked to by multiple people including high admins and myself of what is expected of you and I feel as we are wasting our time since we continue to receive problem player complaints from regular players and complaints of you from my fellow admins. After several threads and postings and the talks to you I thought it was time to get your attention in a different way. I could have warned you in admin chat but how many warnings do you need? You have been at TPG for 3 years now and it's always the same story here in L4D2 or CS:S.

On a personal note. I do not think you are bad player, I have played with you when you follow all orders/calls and do what is asked of you. I also have played with you tons of times where you do your own thing. WHY? You have to answer that. In regards to killing you with a bat and about your witch issue. You were black and white, I was trying to cover you during an SI hit. I caught the witch on fire as planned and ran backwards while my team was trying to kill her and for whatever reason our team wasn't able to do so before she got to me.

If you feel this is a personal attack on you or feel you have been wronged then feel free to make a admin abuse claim.
However I will tell you I have nothing to gain with doing you wrong. I will wait for your response before putting a vote up.

Here is the bottom line, you fucked up. Not your admin not Hantu and not Lazy. We knew where each other was, we didnt know where you was. Yes. Lazy and I said something to Hantu and I also said something to you. I guess I will start pausing the game when players screw up just to prove what I said? No, there is a reason I am an admin. I am trusted, however we can't trust that you will play the game and not cause a problem. Your actions brought you here and it's time for you to man the hell up and deal with what you caused. Instead of stooping to your level with insults I will just start your vote, will last no longer than 3 days.

I don't have to answer these questions but I will.

1. I wasn't the one away from the team and died, that was you.

2. No because my words were for you. Lazy said something to Hantu and I just agreed.

3. The reason I quit as an admin is because I had a dispute with another admin and took a break on my own accord. Which doesn't concern you.
As far as the response from Lazy I don't think any malicious intent was involved, just sloppy survivor play. I agree it was not malicious but it happens with you more often than others and it was your sloppy survivor play being the 3 of us was doing the same thing and you were not calling the shots on our team.

4. I like how you brag on your ban record here at TPG, funny if you ask me. Also I don't have any inconsistencies about what happend being as I was the admin and just happend to be making the calls.

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

I don't have to answer these questions but I will.

Then you shouldn't have.

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

1. I wasn't the one away from the team and died, that was you.

On the particular instance you refer to in the alley, you are right. Though this has not been a point of contention. It has been well established that I was apart from the team at that moment, by my team and others. Yet, the only issue I have made throughout this thread, is in reference to your unilateral decision making that is in disregard for the groups opinion. Were the feelings of our teammates taken into account, you would have seen that there was no rational justification, in your application of the proper punishment, you felt requisite, for the perceived "crime" at hand. All I have ever tried to do in this thread has been to get you to accept some humility, concerning your own actions, when deciding to institute measures that if evenly distributed, would have you posting on this forum too.

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

2. No because my words were for you. Lazy said something to Hantu and I just agreed

False, your words were never spoken on Special Infected, as concerned my hits. Ask any of our teammates. Or is their opinion not up to snuff with yours?

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

3. The reason I quit as an admin is because I had a dispute with another admin and took a break on my own accord. Which doesn't concern you.

It doesn't concern me any more than the fact that your behavior as an admin has been brought under scrutiny before. And I am certain the admin you speak of would take exception to your rationale for disagreement and vindication, in your own world, for why you acted the way you did. Not to mention, you did step down. I only know what I would do, if I was in your shoes; but I assure you, it would have been a cold day in hell before I would have voluntarily stepped down for being on the side of truth.

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

As far as the response from Lazy I don't think any malicious intent was involved, just sloppy survivor play. I agree it was not malicious but it happens with you more often than others and it was your sloppy survivor play being the 3 of us was doing the same thing and you were not calling the shots on our team.

Again, your logic has gotten the best of you. Ask Lazy, if he was surprised by your course of action. Ask him if he feels it was in line with your reasoning behind it. Then ask Haptu. Then ask Killer808, who was on the other team, if you were justified in your execution of power. If you know it was not malicious, then where are your grounds for not asking me what I was doing and why, before you kicked me and banned me? Like I said earlier, an administrator should exercise prudence in exercising the power invested in them. This action was taken, as I've stated, without your direct vocal warnings and without any clarification and without any group approval. So...what I'm gathering from your final statement is: "You were not calling the shots on our team." And here I'll finish your implied ending to this, "Therefore, I get to make the rules" Which, I admit, is true in one respect: It is your 4-Square court and it is your red ball to take home if you want to. But don't take my lunch money and say it was to teach me a lesson.

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

4. I like how you brag on your ban record here at TPG, funny if you ask me.

Please quote, where I bragged.

Originally Posted by ~BigTymer~

Also I don't have any inconsistencies about what happend being as I was the admin and just happend to be making the calls.

This just underlines my point made previous. You are right, it is hard to be contradictory when the rules don't apply to you, as they do to others.