CoD 4 Ban

**Wurzzzz** · 04-27-08, 12:49 PM

#1. Why do you think you got banned?
One of the CoD 4 Administrators and I had a disagreement about the rules. I expressed my anger with the situation and argued with him. In retrospect, it might've been better to take it to the forums.

#2. What server were you on? What admin do you believe banned you? What admins were there playing?
Not sure, there were many of them on at the time.

#3. Why should you be unbanned?
I'm a solid TTP player that has been playing here for over a year. I did not, nor will ever mean any malice towards anyone and I've always upheld TTP's team playing ideals. I've learned my lesson about arguing with admins.

#4. A written statement that you will refrain from doing anything that will get you banned again.
I, Wurzzzz, will refrain from doing anything that will warrant being banned from the CoD 4 or any TTP server.

**BiscuitBoy** · 04-27-08, 01:22 PM

Wurzzzz,

I was your banning admin.  Pursue the objective or die trying is in the server rules, if you don't like it then you should find another server.  I never warned you as console because this is something a regular should know and arguing about it was just the final straw in a few days of admins discussing banning you.  You have also been warned and kicked multiple times for camping, especially on HQ and sabotage.  You need to seriously rethink your teamplay strategy in game and start playing like you talk in your posts.  I cannot believe a regular of TTP would defend someone who was not going for the objective when they are called out for it.

Originally Posted by Wurzzzz

#3.  Why should you be unbanned?
I'm a solid TTP player that has been playing here for over a year. I did not, nor will ever mean any malice towards anyone and I've always upheld TTP's team playing ideals. I've learned my lesson about arguing with admins.

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I have yet to see you uphold TTP's teamplaying ideals.  When the chat log posts tomorrow I will add that to this post.  All I know is you proceeded to tell me about the hundreds of hours you have spent playing on TTP's servers.  That does not make you immune to the rules in fact that makes you even less immune.

Camping bombs is not pursuing the objective, not going for an uncapped HQ is not pursuing the objective, not going for the bomb in sabotage when your the only one left is not pursuing the objective.

I want you to address these issues before I put up an unban vote.

**BigHub** · 04-30-08, 10:28 AM

Hey, if you don't care... we don't care.

You have 2 days to answer before I lock this post and you can forget about being unbanned. Wurzzzz, you are a great guy and a regular... Common man.

**Wurzzzz** · 04-30-08, 11:06 PM

Humble apologies,

I've been extremely busy with final exams starting in two days here in college. I checked a day or so ago but didn't answer because I thought Biscuit wanted to post the logs. To reply:

Originally Posted by BiscuitBoy

I was your banning admin. Pursue the objective or die trying is in the server rules, if you don't like it then you should find another server. I never warned you as console because this is something a regular should know and arguing about it was just the final straw in a few days of admins discussing banning you. You have also been warned and kicked multiple times for camping, especially on HQ and sabotage. You need to seriously rethink your teamplay strategy in game and start playing like you talk in your posts. I cannot believe a regular of TTP would defend someone who was not going for the objective when they are called out for it.

I think there is just some misunderstanding here about what is considered pursuing the objective. In my mind I believe(d) that by killing my enemies I was giving the rest of my team a better chance at carrying the bomb or defusing if they had already made it to the bomb. If my team calls for back-up or points out targets, etc. I'm one of the first to be heading that direction, especially on modes like Domination. I'm always actively participating in the team strategy, whatever that may be. There are cases like on say Backlot sabotage, where if it appears I'm camping from the opposite side of the map, what I have tried to do is to clear out say, as an example, construction-side and I've scouted it and eliminated the opposition so if my team gets the bomb back they can reverse direction and come through it instead of continuing to run into the meat grinder that usually ensues as Sabotage gets going. It is something that I let my team know that I'm doing and it has worked a couple of times to great effect when the bomb carrier is willing to trust me.

To address the defense of the other player: I was having a bad day and I realize that I shouldn't have taken out my anger during the game. I defended him because I didn't feel like he did anything wrong and I was pissed off that my team was losing and didn't want anyone to rag on my guys for actually winning a round. His strategy was simply to outflank his enemy, a valid and sound military tactic. He had plenty of time and was definitely trying to complete the mission, evidenced by the fact that he was at the bomb site and about to plant when he made the kill that ended the round (at least that's how I remember it going). It could be that I saw something different or missed something the admins caught, but from my perspective he was playing correctly and I was a too temperamental that day to bite my tongue. I'll keep it out of the game and on the forums from now on.

Originally Posted by BiscuitBoy

Originally Posted by Wurzzzz

#3. Why should you be unbanned?
I'm a solid TTP player that has been playing here for over a year. I did not, nor will ever mean any malice towards anyone and I've always upheld TTP's team playing ideals. I've learned my lesson about arguing with admins.

I have yet to see you uphold TTP's teamplaying ideals. When the chat log posts tomorrow I will add that to this post. All I know is you proceeded to tell me about the hundreds of hours you have spent playing on TTP's servers. That does not make you immune to the rules in fact that makes you even less immune.

Camping bombs is not pursuing the objective, not going for an uncapped HQ is not pursuing the objective, not going for the bomb in sabotage when your the only one left is not pursuing the objective.

I want you to address these issues before I put up an unban vote.

The fact that I mentioned my time here at TTP was unfortunate. I didn't mean to sound like a jackass, but that's how it came across. I was merely trying to illustrate that I knew the server/TTP rules and philosophy and it really didn't translate on screen as well as it did in my head. That was definitely my fault and it can be at least partially attributed to my emotional state causing me to speak without thinking as mentioned above. I wasn't trying to use my time here as an excuse or justification.

As for camping bombs and not going for HQs...I'm not really sure what to say. I've always gone for them in my own particular play style. I'm just not the "Run N Gun" type. Probably because I'm a lousy twitch player so I have to outwit as opposed to out shoot my opponents. If I hear and enemy around the corner I'm not going to go ahead and grab the bomb. I'm going to kill him, then grab the bomb. It just makes more sense to me than if I run out and get shot because then I haven't helped my team at all, in fact I've weakened my team while they wait for me to respawn and move back into position as opposed to me doing the opposite to the other team. This scenario assumes I'm alone. If I have teammates backing me up and I know that if I die the bomb will stay in friendly hands then I'll gladly run into harms way. Rarely however do I have teammates that are moving up on my flanks in a fashion that makes it a sound strategy. HQs are the same way, if I'm the only guy at the HQ but I've got a UAV that shows six enemies abeam my position, I'm going to attempt to eliminate them and then attack the HQ. If I don't I'm inevitably going to run out and die and that doesn't help my team in the least.

That's my views on my tactics anyway. I can understand if someone sees what I do differently or disagrees the the idea of my tactics (especially when sometimes all you see is the 6 seconds of the kill cam). Again, it could be that my views aren't in agreement with what's generally accepted but based on the TTP mantra about strategy I feel confident in the way I participate in my team's strategy.

With regards,

Wurzzzz

**Turban** · 05-01-08, 02:56 AM

Gig Em

**w4jchosen** · 05-01-08, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by DODturban

Gig Em

DODturban,

Unless you have something relevant to say about this ban thread, meaning you are a direct witness to the actions of the banned either "for" or "against" DO NOT post in another banned thread again.

From the Banned Forum Rules/Procedures

If you are not an admin, a banned player, or a relevant witness for either party, you have no business in this forum and are prohibited from posting. This rule is harshly enforced.

**BiscuitBoy** · 05-01-08, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Wurzzzz

As for camping bombs and not going for HQs...I'm not really sure what to say. I've always gone for them in my own particular play style. I'm just not the "Run N Gun" type. Probably because I'm a lousy twitch player so I have to outwit as opposed to out shoot my opponents. If I hear and enemy around the corner I'm not going to go ahead and grab the bomb. I'm going to kill him, then grab the bomb. It just makes more sense to me than if I run out and get shot because then I haven't helped my team at all, in fact I've weakened my team while they wait for me to respawn and move back into position as opposed to me doing the opposite to the other team.

I think this is fine to do Wurzzzz however it becomes a problem when doing this for a few seconds turns into minutes and this happens alot. I can tell you that nothing will get you banned quicker than starring at the bomb for a few minutes and picking off people who are trying to pick it up while at the same time not moving up yourself.

Originally Posted by Wurzzzz

This scenario assumes I'm alone. If I have teammates backing me up and I know that if I die the bomb will stay in friendly hands then I'll gladly run into harms way. Rarely however do I have teammates that are moving up on my flanks in a fashion that makes it a sound strategy.

You need to forget some of your Battlefield tactics because this game simply isn't a battlefield style game. Players cannot pick their spawn and you randomly spawn at different points throughout the map. This makes it very difficult to form up and move up together as a pack. It does make it ideal for though for people to call out what they are doing and then have people meet up with them along the way to pursue the same goal. The other thing is there aren't tickets in this game like battlefield which count down everytime a teamate dies. There really is zero penalty in COD4 for dying except in S&D mode since you do not respawn in S&D.

In sabotage I think there is a 10 second or 7 second respawn time limit so if you die it isn't going to hurt your team that badly. It does back you up a bit if everyone on your team dies at the same time but sometimes that is just unavoidable. Teamplay on COD4 is not defined as blatantly rushing in to die every time you spawn, use some tactics when there are many enemies, throw nades, be sneaky, shoot an RPG up into a window, whatever you need to do. However simply laying down cover fire when the bomb is not planted, an HQ has not been capped, 2 flags are not held, etc just doesn't really have any place in the game. The only exception to this rule is if you have coordinated something with your team.

Originally Posted by Wurzzzz

HQs are the same way, if I'm the only guy at the HQ but I've got a UAV that shows six enemies abeam my position, I'm going to attempt to eliminate them and then attack the HQ. If I don't I'm inevitably going to run out and die and that doesn't help my team in the least.

HQ everything depends on who holds the objective. If no one holds the objective and each team is rushing to capture it then you should have every motivation to rush in and die if you have to to capture that point. There is a 1 second respawn time limit on HQ maps so dying does nothing more than place you on another point on the map when you respawn. I cannot tell you how frustrating it is when you have 6 people on your team shooting towards an objective while only 2 are running towards the objective trying to get on it. Of course you can clear things out from far away but this is definitely a case where you need to be moving up the entire time, because if you don't you simply don't take the HQ and as a result you eventually lose the map.

Thank you for being level headed about everything, I will put up your unban vote. This will take no longer than 3 days, check back here periodically for an update.

**BiscuitBoy** · 05-01-08, 10:42 AM

Wurzzzz,

I have been asked to get some further clarification on this statement that you made.

Originally Posted by Wurzzzz

That's my views on my tactics anyway. I can understand if someone sees what I do differently or disagrees the the idea of my tactics (especially when sometimes all you see is the 6 seconds of the kill cam). Again, it could be that my views aren't in agreement with what's generally accepted but based on the TTP mantra about strategy I feel confident in the way I participate in my team's strategy.

FYI, no one makes a ban based off of 6 seconds of kill cam time, do not assume that is what our decisions are based off of. There is dedicated spectating time spent on every person we ban for non teamplay/camping.

Additionally your confidence in your teams strategy is not the issue, it is your team members confidence in your strategy that matters. As I explained in my above post this is not battlefield and certain strategies server no purpose due to the size of maps, lack of tickets (no penalty for death), and a very fast respawn time limit.

**Wurzzzz** · 05-01-08, 02:34 PM

Ah, I was just trying to express in as few words as possible that I felt I was within the guidelines of the rules. I was postulating that while the admins may have observed me playing in order to gather evidence, that many times other players simply see what happens right before their death and will not necessarily see the reason why the player decided to sit in that location that seems to be right where you were passing through. Many times if I catch a glimpse of an enemy running into a building, etc. then I will take up a position to intercept his route. In this case only the last few seconds where I killed him will be seen and not the fact that I had seen him earlier.

It was mainly just a concluding statement meant to summarize the thoughts that were expressed above it. When I said "I feel confident in the way I participate in my team's strategy" I was trying to say that from my perspective I felt like I was being a team player. That was all.

**BiscuitBoy** · 05-01-08, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Wurzzzz

Ah, I was just trying to express in as few words as possible that I felt I was within the guidelines of the rules. I was postulating that while the admins may have observed me playing in order to gather evidence, that many times other players simply see what happens right before their death and will not necessarily see the reason why the player decided to sit in that location that seems to be right where you were passing through. Many times if I catch a glimpse of an enemy running into a building, etc. then I will take up a position to intercept his route. In this case only the last few seconds where I killed him will be seen and not the fact that I had seen him earlier.

It was mainly just a concluding statement meant to summarize the thoughts that were expressed above it. When I said "I feel confident in the way I participate in my team's strategy" I was trying to say that from my perspective I felt like I was being a team player. That was all.

Roger thanks for the clarification.