Thread: Banned on CS:S server

#1: Why do I think I got banned:

I didn't even know I got banned until I tried to join today so I don't know what the actual cause was.

My best guess:

I know I got yelled at by an admin for "not leaving the spawn" on Port, but I had actually left the spawn that round, was pinned behind the crates due to errant flashes, then as the bomb was on the boat I realized I was in a good position to cover the path on the T-spawn side and from the door to the boat since I had a scoped weapon, so I just hopped up on that ledge and hid behind the air vent to cover my rear and side, and I killed one CT and injured another that was running to the bomb before he turned around and killed me. When the admin told me not to do it, I complied and didn't do it any further that round. I left at the end of a map several maps later and when I tried to connect to the server today I got a message saying I was banned. If the Port play was the reason I got banned then surely I should have been told sooner instead of several maps later, but I can't think of anything objectionable that I did later on in the day- sure I messed up a few times, but messing up isn't a banworthy offense. I killed myself with an errant nade bounce at one point on port, probably made a couple of poor smokes or flashes at various points, but it's not like I was doing any of those maliciously.

#2 What server was I on

CS:S No Awp/No Auto,
My info is
STEAM_0:1:17458463
TeamPlayer Gaming - Player Information

#3 and #4 Why should I be unbanned

I know I'm not the greatest player and I screw up a fair bit, but I am not one of these people who constantly tries to go rambo. If I find myself in the wrong position or blocked out of a rush by a flash/smoke, I always try to go across to where I'm supposed to be or try to take advantage of my poor position somehow - hitting crossing/flanking enemies, that kind of thing.

Originally Posted by Toker

If you want your unban request to be addressed, take the time to figure out how it should be formatted.

I cannot fill out every portion of that unban request post without knowing why it is I got banned. If you need my steamID to look it up here you go:

STEAM_0:1:17458463

I have edited the post to try to help make things clear.

Originally Posted by TheCid

The team did a very speedy plant on the boat that round. I got blinded and smoked, then I was just left of the wide crate shooting down at a CT coming out of the door (someone else got the kill) when the bomb was being planted, and considered that I would be of more use to my team by covering the pathway to the bomb since I was carrying a Krieg. I took a spot where I was shielded by a wall, realized I could have an even better position by hopping up on that wall, then stepped forward and let the AC unit shield me even further, putting me in an excellent position to defend the path to the bomb as well as shoot any defuse attempts from CTs coming from the other side.

Considering the events that followed, I believe I made the correct strategic decision. I got a kill on someone at the lower door and shot someone on the upper ramp but got killed by him as he made a quick turn and shoot, and a teammate killed that person shortly after. Neither person even so much as looked at me before I shot, which means I successfully caught them by surprise.

Even though you got a few picks, I would disagree that you made the correct strategic decision. Admins cannot have eyes on everyone throughout the entire round, but this is probably obvious to you. Port is notorious for people getting in trouble, precisely becuase of the spawn area people are attracted to for cover. It's much wiser to avoid it altogether, especially if you only have a Krieg, like you said. There are various objects that can shield a CT on the boat while defusing, which can make it difficult for a T to pick them off (even harder without a scoped weapon).

As far as I'm concerned, an admin shutting an entire area off from one team and giving the other team free reign to rotate from one bomb point to the other with absolutely no concern for having to even so much as CHECK for flankers is ridiculous. It's no coincidence that we got utterly rolled for something like 6 or 7 rounds in a row with every boat plant resulting in CTs crushing us on their rotation back from silo.

But you know what? Actions matter far more than words. I did not disobey the admin and take up that position for the remainder of the round.

The admins only bar players from camping in spawn. Want to sit in the mid area with a view of the bomb? Go for it. As we both know though, this is extremely tough to do successfully and not get riddled with bullets yourself, so I understand why you moved. Unfortunately, the rest of the admins and I will disagree with it being the best strategic decision on your part. Why, you may ask? Quite simply, because there is a plethora of other positions you could have taken to watch the SAME area.

- You can cover the same area from the red crates on the far left side of the boat.
- You can cover the same area (and more) from jumping on the blue crate by the fence.
- You can cover the same area (and more) from dropping down onto the planks.
- You can cover the same area (and more) by asking for a boost on the roof.
- You can cover the same area (and more) from the boat itself (novel idea).

Here's an overview with stars being suggested spots:



As you can see, all of the suggested spots are much closer to the bomb itself. The problem with these, at least in your situation, was that you would have had to of actually moved up further with your team to utilize them. In the future, if you are unbanned, I would heed these suggestions and stay out of spawn altogether on Port.

I doubled back to just outside the spawn and covered the entire mid to boat area. I didn't sit there all round long.
The fact that this is even possible is a sign that Port is a terribly designed map. (I can't even think of another map in which this is possible- Dust/Dust2, Office, Piranesi, Inferno, Italy, Nuke - can't do it!) On top of that, you've got another active thread in this subforum where someone else did a similar thing and got similarly pissed off for being yelled at by an admin for it. That should tell you that players expect that position to be viable!

Irrelevant.

It covers the bomb AND two pathways to the bomb. Taking that position helps the team. It's comparable to camping in the pit on Dust2 after the bomb's been planted - you cover a path to the bomb, the latter part of a second path, and any defusers that came from the other direction. The fact that it happens to be next to the spawn should be immaterial. If it isn't, then take the map off rotation/vote for being badly designed.

You can see half of boat from there, not all of it. If you are referring to mid, as in the middle area inbetween T and CT spawn, who cares if CTs are rotating through there? Either way they have to go down one of the two paths next to the warehouse, which can be covered from my suggested spots. You may think it's a good spot(by spawn), unfortunately it will also land you in the banned forums, because you look like a spawn camper.

Take a look at the heatmap- it shows that people take that position somewhat regularly. TeamPlayer Gaming - Map Details

Irrelevant.

I don't know whether that heatmap is generated strictly off TPG play or all server play, but if it's the former then it pretty much confirms that taking that position is, whether you like it or not, a part of play on the map, and players taking up that position after a boat plant should not be penalized.


Irrelevant.

You are of course correct that I should not have called out the admin in-game, and I apologize for that. I should have gone to the admin abuse forum instead.

This, however, is very much relevant. I really wish you would have taken the time to expand on this more, as it is the main reason you are here. Bottom line, don't argue with the admins in-game. Now, you can choose to argue my points if you wish, this is the place to do it, but in the end I'm just trying to help you out. It's one map were talking about, with only one spot that's pretty much off limits, so if you can avoid it, that would be in your best interest.

I will start your vote ASAP, which should not take any longer than three days. Check back here for the result.

Originally Posted by Toker

You can see half of boat from there, not all of it.

Why do I care about the half of the boat that doesn't have the bomb...? If the bomb had been planted farther down I wouldn't have taken that position.